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Tom Seaver – My Mets All-Time Top 10 (No. 3)

Tom Seaver

In the winter of 1982-83, I was a junior in college and an occasional sports reporter for the Columbia Daily Spectator. A week before Christmas, Tom Seaver was traded back to the Mets for Charlie Puleo, Lloyd McClendon and Jason Felice. The team staged a big welcome home press conference in the Diamond Club, and a couple of us wangled press passes and jumped on the No. 7 train to Shea. All the old royalty of New York sports reporting graced the room: Seaver’s crankpot nemesis Dick Young, Phil Pepe, Maury Allen, Bill Gallo and the young smart-alecky Mike Lupica. Even well-known news-side columnists Jimmy Breslin and Newsday’s Murray Kempton made the scene. Bob Murphy served as master of ceremonies, and Frank Cashen presided, with Nelson Doubleday and Fred Wilpon in reserve. As I recall, the catering seemed pretty good to a college junior.

It was a huge happening, because Seaver was The Franchise, returning at age 38 to the team where he’d made his fortune – and the team for which he still serves in the title role as greatest (homegrown) player ever to wear a Mets uniform. Indeed, he’s probably the greatest starting pitcher in New York baseball history. He was the face of the ‘69 world champs and ‘73 National League champs, and his departure at the June trading deadline in 1977 broke the back of the franchise for years.

Seaver in his prime was a perfectly-constructed pitching machine – the fluid motion, the massive stride, the arm angle on fastball and curve, the wily thinking man’s hurler. The Mets’ 1969 championship is rightly called a miracle, but even in the great pantheon of New York champions, few have had a number one starter with the kind dominant stuff Seaver had on display in ‘69. He was no accidental champ, lucking into the post-season and riding a series of flukes to the title. He was a dominant and scary force.

Consider his line – and then consider that 1969 was the year they lowered the pitching mound by five inches after the pitching-dominant mid-60s.

W – 25
L – 7
ERA – 2.21
K – 208
BB – 82
CG – 18
IP – 273
WHIP – 1.03

Seaver won the Cy Young Award, the first of three and finished second to Willie McCovey for MVP. It remains of the monster years any New York starter has ever had – yet arguably, Seaver matched it three more times. Take 1971, for example:

W – 20
L – 10
ERA – 1.76
K – 289
BB – 61
CG – 21
IP – 286
WHIP – 0.94

Outside of the win total and carrying the team on his back to a dramatic and improbably World Series title, it’s a better year! Indeed, it’s as good as the two years in New York baseball history to be hurled by starters since then: Ron Guidy in 1978 and Dwight Gooden in 1985. It’s a year, frankly, to rival the best years of Christy Matthewson in the dead ball era. And Seaver finished second for the Cy Young to Fergie Jenkins.

But back to 1983. Seaver was on the downside and had had a terrible year for the Reds in ‘82. Yet, he stilled pitched to a 3.55 ERA, 1.21 WHIP in 231 bulldog innings (he was a hard luck 9-14) – in other words, he’s the Mets No. 2 start on this year’s squad by far. I was there for Opening Day, when Tom Terrific walked in from the bullpen for a standing ovation and promptly fanned Pete Rose and beat the Phillies to start the year. Indeed, Seaver had a fairly distinguished baseball dotage (even after Cashen mistakenly left him exposed to the free agent draft and he went to the White Sox), racking up his 311 wins and 3,640 strikeouts. In 1985, at age 41, Seaver went 16-11 for Tony LaRussa’s Chisox with a 3.17 ERA in 238 innings – beating the Yankees by pitching a complete game on Phil Pizzuto Day for win no. 300 (in a classy gesture, the Yanks brought in Lindsay Nelson to call the final inning on WPIX-11).

So Seaver’s number three in my favorite Mets pantheon – and he’s the best player in the list, as a Met. It’s why I have that Seaver figurine up top on a shelf in my home office, and it’s why I rock the vintage ‘69 flannel Seaver home jersey out in Flushing. He was the Franchise – oh, a pretty decent baseball announcer and vintner besides.

The series so far:

1. Cleon Jones

2. Darryl Strawberry

3. Tom Seaver

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  • twasp
    Are you or Jason going to do All Time Top 10 Yankees?
  • twasp
    Mine would be:

    Joe Pepitone
    Celerino Sanchez
    Ron Blomberg
    Horace Clarke
    Bobby Murcer
    Mickey Rivers
    Oscar Gamble
    Don Mattingly
    Paul O'Neil
    Mariano Rivera
  • tomwatson
    That's an iconoclastic list! Kinda like the one I'm doing for the Metties....did you ever see Seaver pitch?

    Jason should def do his top 10....

    BTW, I met Joe Pepitone - quite a character.
  • twasp
    Yeah, my list is a little eccentric I'll just quickly tell you why a chose them:

    Joe Pepitone - first player to keep a hairdryer in his locker
    Celerino Sanchez - had an absolute GUN for an arm from 3rd base
    Ron Blomberg - his bat made the HOF
    Horace Clarke - (noticed this waiting outside Shea for autographs) - while other players hopped into their expensive cars and drove away - bow-legged Horace wade through the crowd of kids, signing autographs as he walked.... to the SUBWAY.
    Bobby Murcer..watching him chase balls through the monuments was priceless
    Mickey Rivers - always walked like his feet hurt... until he ran the basepaths
    Oscar Gamble - the 'fro was cool
    Don Mattingly - if it wasn't for the bad back.......
    Paul O'Neil - his inner demons on display every game, every at bat .... loved it
    Mariano Rivera - when they play Enter Sandman...... I still get chills
  • JasonChervokas
    Tom's been trying to get me to write my fav Yankees, but I don't really have faves...don't really identify with players that way...I do however have favorite moments, like standing on the side of a chain link fence a few feet away from Munson in Ft Lauderdale as he was warming up Gossage, almost close enough to have been in the LH batters box ---Gossage was just getting loose and I swear I didn't even see the ball, just heard the pop of the glove.
  • twasp
    Yeah - thats a great moment to have. I would have loved to seen them warming up. Interesting that you don't have favorite players. I don't think I've met anyone that's said that. I'm trying to imagine why that would be? Did you play ball? Did you ever idolize anyone as a kid?
  • JasonChervokas
    Yeah, I have a lot of cherished Yankee moments, but I was never the kid w/ posters of players on the wall, etc.--writers and musicians were the figures I identified with and emulated, not athletes. I played some Little League when I was very young (at later coached some middle school girls softball when my daughter played)--I also played a ton of wiffle ball!--but I was a lousy player and went over to track and soccer in HS. I was (and am) a much better writer and musician, maybe that's part of it.

    I DID love Mattingly in the 1980s because he was like a piece of lifesaving flotsam of quality class and dignity for a drowning Yankees fans to cling to during the dark years of the 1980s. I like a lot of the current team, especially Rivera because he's just awe-inspiring to watch year after year, and Pettitte because he's had a fine career with very average stuff perservering and succeeding thanks to pure grit and determination. That 1-0 shut out he pitched v. the Braves in the '96 series is my favorite Yankee game of the recent dynasty. But I don't have romantic memories of the favorites from the teams I grew up watching. I don't have that kind of attachment to individual players.
  • twasp
    I saw Seaver pitch at Shea in game 5 of the '73 NLCS against the Big Red Machine. He was masterful in both starts that series. I saw Buddy and Rose rolling in the dirt in game 3 . I was right behind the Mets dugout. Borbon came from the bullpen swinging at everybody. Someone threw a Jack Daniels bottle from the LF upper deck and they delayed the game.

    I saw the "say hey" kid flopping around in CF like a fish out of water. I saw Nolan Ryan at Shea throwing aspirin tablets his rookie season with the Mets. I sat next to the first guy to hold up a "Ryan's Express" sign behind home plate.

    I'm from Queens, my father was born in Brooklyn in '39, he said he played stickball with Pepi and he was the only kid that could hit a spaldeen 3 sewer plates. If you haven't already read it find a copy of "Joe, you coulda made us Proud" by Pepitone himself. Funnier than Jim Bouton's "Ball Four".

    Regarding Dick Young - I loved reading his column. His over-the-top hatred of Seaver if I remember correctly, had something to do with him being a relative of Wilpon?
  • tomwatson
    Here's the scoop from a '77 People magazine:

    For Seaver, the cruelest cut of all was seeing Nancy's name dragged into the controversy. He still seethes over the implication by New York Daily News sports columnist Dick Young that a jealous Nancy had henpecked Tom because their friend Nolan Ryan of the California Angels was earning more than Seaver's $225,000 a year. "When they start writing rubbish about my family," Seaver snaps', "that really makes me sick." Nancy just says, "I talk to Ruth Ryan about babies, not baseball."

    http://www.people.com/people/a...
  • twasp
    Good article - I felt sorry for Seaver, balling the way he did. Young was vicious in his constant attacks. The irony was Young had always been against the Corporations taking over baseball. He did a 180 when it came to Grant/Seaver.

    Young probably had that short guy chip - he feuded with many players - without much reason.
  • tomwatson
    Great times. No I don't think Seaver was related to Wilpon, but I think Nancy Seaver was related to someone - can't remember whom. Young as a hard-ass crank who nonetheless helped pioneer the sports "notes" column.
  • mets24hrs
    no dick youngs nephew ,workedfor the mets
  • twasp
    Sorry Tom, it was M. Donald Grant I was thinking of. The COB of the Mets at the time. Young sided with him in the Seaver vs Grant feud. Supposedly Young did this because his son-in-law worked for Grant in the Mets front office.

  • JasonChervokas
    Dick Young's campaign against Seaver was bizarre. What I loved most about Seaver was his intelligence. I mean, obviously he had the great stuff, but he pitched all those years when his stuff was gone on pure smarts.
  • tomwatson
    Yeah, I agree - he went from power pitcher to wily thinking man's pitcher. And I liked him as a color better than McCarver...
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