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Cano Hitting 5th, Doomed to Failure?

Robinson Canó
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The spring training Yankees pool coverage (by that I mean all the reporters sit around the pool and write the same story every day) all concerns Robinson Cano hitting 5th this year.

Robinson Cano hitting fifth means Alex Rodriguez is going to lead the league in walks. I can’t imagine any team pitching to Arod in a big RBI spot with the guy hitting behind him having career numbers like Cano’s. Last year Cano hit .207 with RISP, career he’s a .256 hitter in such situations. This is a guy with a career BA of .331 with the bases empty.

Yankees fans have long wanted to see Cano become the middle-of-the-order run producer his BA and power suggest he could be, but at 27 can Cano become a different hitter–more disciplined, able to foul off or take close pitches in a big spot, someone with the mental toughness to bear down in big spots and deliver some kind of run producing contact wherever pitchers are going to try to pitch him? Frankly I doubt it. Although players sometimes become different kinds of hitters when the move from the minors to the majors (look at the power Mattingly added), how often do they become different kinds of hitters at 27 after several years of major league success?

Joseph Pawlikowski at River Ave Blues notes that Cano actually hit 5th more often than any Yankee other Hideki Matsui last year, compiling decent numbers:

Cano actually saw the second most time in the fifth spot last year, 223 plate appearances. In those he hit .299/.318/.477, a downgrade from his season line of .320/.352/.520. His time in the fifth spot, of course, represents just a small sample, about 34 percent of his season. It’s tough to draw conclusions about his ability to hit in that spot from just a third of his plate appearances. We also won’t learn much by going into Cano’s history hitting fifth. Not only did he hit in front of and behind different hitters, but he also hit there just 61 times in his career before 2009.

Maybe we can’t learn much from this 5th position stats, but we do know from watching Cano that in big RBI spots he frequently has what look like lazy undisciplined at bats. Always a free swinger he seems less selective than usual in these spots often chasing pitches off the plate away from him–both fastballs up and breaking balls down–taking that long slow walk of shame back to the dugout after another poor at bat.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Cano. He’s a good hitter and an underrated fielder. But he is one of the softest .320 hitters you’ll ever see and it has everything to do with his mental toughness and discipline in big spots. Humans can change, of course, even obviously stubborn, 27-year-old,  super-talented baseball players. But having watched these lousy situational at-bats from Cano for half a decade I’ll remain skeptical until it happens. The scenario I expect to see is a couple of weeks of Cano in the 5 slot, at-bat after a walk to A-rod, striking out frequently, popping balls up, rolling over weak ground balls, followed by managerial moves to drop Cano in the order and put Posada in the 5 hole.

What do you expect?
 

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  • twasp
    Jason- Some research I did backing up your commentary:

    Check this out – Cano has played 5 seasons with approximately 3000 pa’s total

    He’s gotten up app 1500 times with men on base and app 1500 times without men on base ——- two legitimate sample sizes. And look at the numbers:

    Games PA AB HR BA OBP SLG OPS

    nobody on 697 1580 1503 54 .331 .363 .528 .892

    Men On 654 1456 1352 33 .280 .312 .425 .737

    That’s a statistically significant 50 point diff in ba/obp and 100 points different in SLG. My conclusion Robby presses when there are runners on
  • JasonChervokas
    No doubt he does, or he fails to bear down and tighten his focus just when opposing pitchers are doing exactly that...either way Cano's going to have to change to become a successful 5-hole hitter. If he were 23 or 24 and a second year player that would be one thing. He's 27 and he's had a lot of major league successs, will he be able to change his approach (mental or physical) at this point? I suspect not.
  • Bruce Bernstein
    I was surprised that Cano hit 5th so many times last year, so surprised that I thought the stat was wrong. But I looked it up, it was right. However, he only hit 5th once after July 4th. In the first half of the year, first Alex and Posada were both out of the lineup with injuries a substantial portion of the time.

    The expectation was that Granderson would bat 5th and I'm not sure why he isn't as he has more power than Cano. Cano is a line drive hitter... but he had 25 home runs last year.
  • JasonChervokas
    I don't like Granderson 5th either. Arod wouldn't see a pitch in the strike zone from a left hander all year. At least Cano can hit righties and lefties, as long as there are no runners in scoring position.
  • twasp
    Exactly, Jason, perfectly said. Expect to see Posada replace cano quickly. 5 spot is all about protecting your big 4 hitter so opponents dont pitch around him. Its about the pitcher fearing #5 will hurt him. What pitcher will fear facing Cano? about as undisciplined hitter in baseball. A lefty pitcher sees arod and then looks into on-deck circle and sees Cano? Arod wont see a decent pitch, With Posada at 5, a switchhitter with a rep, much more protection would be given.
  • tomwatson
    Well, I agree with you guys - though I'd take Cano on my team in a millisecond.

    And he is the last potentially/nearly great homegrown Yankee of this era....

    But I'd rather have the much-maligned (by me) Nick Johnson hitting 5th frankly - with his walks, you're always looking at a big inning in the mid-lineup, then you have Posada lined up 6th.
  • twasp
    Tom - its all about protecting Arod - your meal ticket - you want punch in the 5 hole. Power, clutch and a rep that he'll hurt you. Nicky's claim to fame is that he walks....what pitcher is going to be afraid of that?

    Look at the power stats of the 3 candidates :

    CAREEER HRs per PA

    Posada 3.9%

    Johnson 2.9%

    Cano 2.9%

    2009 HRs per PA

    Posada 5.0%

    Johnson 1.4%

    Cano 3.7%

    Posada at 5 , Can you dig it? - I know that you can.
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